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Başlık: What do you think about General Franco?
Gönderen: Türkistan Ordusu - 04 Ocak 2012, 22:56:05
I've recently read Ernest Hemingway's novel -For whom the bells ring- and it appeared to me that Franco and his side were right to rise up against the Republican government. Hemingway himself was a Soviet agent in Spain, hence he portrays the Republican side as the innocent one and the Franquist side as the evil one. However I think that Franco saved his country from collapse, from becoming a kind of Cuba.
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Gönderen: TÜRK-KAN - 04 Ocak 2012, 23:54:55
 Hemingway was also a Trockist too :D The split off Stalinists vs Trockists+Anarchists made Nationalist Forces(They were commanded by General Franco) victory easier.

 From my own point of view, If Franco didn't rebelled against Republican Governement, there was no country named Spain because Republicans  had freed all communists & anarchists from the prison so this betray lead to the chaos & anarchy in Spain. Republicans & Communists killed so many innocent, ordinary Spanish People. In addition, the Republicans divided Spain into the autonome regions and they were supported by Basque, Catalan Separatists.

 So Franco was right to rebel against that kind of government . He united Nationalist Right(Falangists) & other Conservative Forces(Carlists, Monarchists, Rightwing Rebuplicans etc.) then crushed all communists and other enemies of Spain so he was deserved to be respected.

 However, dont forget that he wasn't a Turk. We aren't fanatic fans or admirers of him.



 

 

   
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Gönderen: Böri - 05 Ocak 2012, 12:43:53
Franco means a (Spanish) Jew from France!   :wink:

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Franco was an ally of the USA!
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Gönderen: YALNIZKURTKARAGÜLLE - 05 Ocak 2012, 13:25:22
I've recently read Ernest Hemingway's novel -For whom the bells ring- and it appeared to me that Franco and his side were right to rise up against the Republican government. Hemingway himself was a Soviet agent in Spain, hence he portrays the Republican side as the innocent one and the Franquist side as the evil one. However I think that Franco saved his country from collapse, from becoming a kind of Cuba.

Hemingway was also a Trockist too :D The split off Stalinists vs Trockists+Anarchists made Nationalist Forces(They were commanded by General Franco) victory easier.

 From my own point of view, If Franco didn't rebelled against Republican Governement, there was no country named Spain because Republicans  had freed all communists & anarchists from the prison so this betray lead to the chaos & anarchy in Spain. Republicans & Communists killed so many innocent, ordinary Spanish People. In addition, the Republicans divided Spain into the autonome regions and they were supported by Basque, Catalan Separatists.

 So Franco was right to rebel against that kind of government . He united Nationalist Right(Falangists) & other Conservative Forces(Carlists, Monarchists, Rightwing Rebuplicans etc.) then crushed all communists and other enemies of Spain so he was deserved to be respected.

 However, dont forget that he wasn't a Turk. We aren't fanatic fans or admirers of him.
   

Franco means a (Spanish) Jew from France!   :wink:
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Franco was an ally of the USA!

Franco (İspanyolca) Fransa'da bir Yahudi demektir!
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Franco, ABD'nin bir müttefiki!


Eveeet Ayhan bundan ne anladı?
 Allahtan google emmi var,yoksa benim gibi ecnebice özürlüler (http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ8TD5IL7aTP9qYMk7mjaHe8MLX6vQwcQNL9uv-xsS-0uqDxlRDIw)bakacaktı yahu... :evil: :evil: :evil:


Espiri bir tarafa bu otağı bilgi deryası yapan kandaşlarıma teşekkürler...

TTK.
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Gönderen: TÜRK-KAN - 05 Ocak 2012, 21:18:25
Franco means a (Spanish) Jew from France!   ;)

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Franco was an ally of the USA!

 I think it was the old currency of France  ;D

 
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Gönderen: TÜRK-KAN - 05 Ocak 2012, 21:21:08
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Franco (İspanyolca) Fransa'da bir Yahudi demektir!
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Franco, ABD'nin bir müttefiki!


Eveeet Ayhan bundan ne anladı?
 Allahtan google emmi var,yoksa benim gibi ecnebice özürlüler (http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ8TD5IL7aTP9qYMk7mjaHe8MLX6vQwcQNL9uv-xsS-0uqDxlRDIw)bakacaktı yahu... >:D >:D >:D

Espiri bir tarafa bu otağı bilgi deryası yapan kandaşlarıma teşekkürler...
TTK.


 Ayhan Başkanım,

 Övgünüze teşekkürler. Google Translate bir faciaydı yalnız.  ;D  O yüzden silmek zorunda kaldım :D

 
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Gönderen: YALNIZKURTKARAGÜLLE - 05 Ocak 2012, 21:46:48
Konu Google Translate den açılmışken   Mahmut TUNCER  yazıp tercume ettirirsen esas faciayı görürsün Ağabey... :evil: :evil: :evil:
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Gönderen: Böri - 06 Ocak 2012, 11:38:28
President of the Spanish government in 1981-82, during the transition to democracy, Calvo Sotelo stated that Spain had not been informed of Gladio when it entered NATO. Asked about Gladio's relations to Franquist Spain, he said that such a network was not necessary under Franco, since "the regime itself was Gladio.

from:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gladio#Spain (https://hunturk.net/forum/sistem.php?islem=yonlendir&url=aHR0cDovL2VuLndpa2lwZWRpYS5vcmcvd2lraS9HbGFkaW8jU3BhaW4=)

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Gönderen: Böri - 06 Ocak 2012, 11:48:33
İspanya İç Savaşı'nda ülke kaosa sürüklenmişti. Katalan ayrılıkçılar, Bask ayrılıkçılar ve Komünistlere karşı Franco önderliğindeki milliyetçiler birleşmişti.

Franco için sürekli olarak Hitler'in müttefikiydi denir... Oysa Franco II.Dünya Savaşı'na katılmamıştır.

Franco Hitler'in değil, ABD'nin müttefikiydi! BU GERÇEK GİZLENİR!

Franco'nun 1975 yılındaki ölümüne kadar ABD, Franco aleyhine hiçbir şey yapmamıştır!

Gladio ile ilgili yazıda; İspanya Franco döneminde NATO üyesi değildi. NATO üyesi olduktan sonra İspanyol Gladiosu oluşmuştur. Peki Franco döneminde Gladio var mıydı sorusuna since "the regime itself was Gladio = Franco Rejiminin kendisi Gladio idi. denilmektedir ki oldukça manidardır!

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Ortaçağda Fransa'dan İspanya'ya göç etmiş Yahudi Dönmelerine "Franco" adı veriliyordu!!!
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Gönderen: Türkistan Ordusu - 06 Ocak 2012, 19:54:21
Franco has been right not to enter the second world war. In 1940, the civil war was not over yet in Spain. Yes, Franquist side had won, but they hadn't still cleansed the opposition within the folk.
That said, don't forget that Franco sent 20.000 Spanish volunteers to the the Eastern Front (against Soviets) and after the German defeat, many Nazi members (like the Belgian Degrelle) found refuge in Spain.

In 1940, when Heinrich Himmler visited Spain to ask Franco support, he reported that daily 300 to 400 people were killed in the streets by Falangist and Carlist militia's. In Spain the Franco rule had not been rooted yet by 1940 because most of the population was actually Leftist back then. So, it's comprehensible, I would say, the non-interference policy of Franco to WW2.


From what I know, Franco was not a Jew; he was Roman Catholic.
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Gönderen: TÜRK-KAN - 06 Ocak 2012, 20:18:40
Ortaçağda Fransa'dan İspanya'ya göç etmiş Yahudi Dönmelerine "Franco" adı veriliyordu!!!

 İspanya'da Hristiyanlığa geçen Yahudiler, Franco değil, Converso(Dönme) ya da daha aşağılayacı bir lakap olan Marrano(Domuz) ünvanıyla anılıyorlardı. Fransa'dan İspanya'ya toplu bir Yahudi göçü olmamıştır. İspanya'da zaten belli bir oranda Yahudi nüfus vardı.

 Franco'n un ailesi aslen İspanya'nın Endülüs Viayeti'ndenler. Fakat sonrada Galicia'ya göçediyorlar. Fransa ile bir bağlantıları yok !

 

   
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Gönderen: Böri - 07 Ocak 2012, 11:26:29
Endülüs'te de çok sayıda Yahudi yaşıyordu!

İnternetten alıntı:

There is however another tantalizing opinion, or merely a rumor, which will probably never be proven one way or another. This is that Franco was a Marrano or Converso, and was thus the descendant of Jews forcibly converted to Christianity during the 14th and 15th centuries.

Some speculate that even Franco thought he was Jewish and many claim that Franco and Bahamonde (his mother's maiden name) are both Jewish names. This theory is espoused by Franco biographer, Paul Preston.

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Google'da

Franco a converso

yazınca: In the sixteenth century, a converso family that used the name Franco gained some renown in Toledo as merchants and regidores, and there is evidence that ...

yazısı çıkıyor!

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Sonuç olarak Franco Rejiminin pek de savunulacak bir tarafı yoktur!

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Gönderen: Türkistan Ordusu - 07 Ocak 2012, 17:03:46
Franco targeted Free-Masons along with Communists. If he happened to be a Jew, he wouldn't have acted that way.
Franco is told to have been a very conservative Catholic.